The Rise and Fall of Tomorrowland and Innoventions

Figment of Imagination · Post by **Figment of Imagination** » Jul Wed 02, 2008 12:55 pm

It is true that "There is no way Tomorrowland can stay in the future like it did when it started" WDW realized this and that is why the New Tomorrowland was designed to look like a the 1950's idea of what the future would look like, with also a sortof comic book, carnival twist, its supose to remind you of an old Sci-fi movie. They did a wonderful job! and I hope it won't require renovating for a long time, and I think WDW is hoping for that as well. Innovations can only be as inovating as the products other companies sponser, It doesn't seem to be a as good as the Communicore maybe 'cause disney doesn't seem to require the companies to spring for a quality show, like in the past. A HUGE THANK YOU to Subsonic for all the Love and effort he has put into making this site a reality. I wish and hope that Disney will return to its roots and begin putting more Love and effort back into their products, 'cause these quick, one time only high profit movies, will not stand the test of time, no one will watch cars, buy it's DVD or toys 60 years from now, like they do with Alice in Wonderland. I hope That Disney strays away from this disposable trend that is so popular these days, and returns to creating with more love and quality for everyones future.

Captain Schnemo · Post by **Captain Schnemo** » Jul Wed 02, 2008 6:11 pm

Figment of Imagination wrote:It is true that "There is no way Tomorrowland can stay in the future like it did when it started"...

What makes you say that?

Jacca5660 · Post by **Jacca5660** » Jul Thu 03, 2008 9:10 am

Figment of Imagination wrote:It is true that "There is no way Tomorrowland can stay in the future like it did when it started" WDW realized this and that is why the New Tomorrowland was designed to look like a the 1950's idea of what the future would look like, with also a sortof comic book, carnival twist, its supose to remind you of an old Sci-fi movie. They did a wonderful job! and I hope it won't require renovating for a long time, and I think WDW is hoping for that as well. Innovations can only be as inovating as the products other companies sponser, It doesn't seem to be a as good as the Communicore maybe 'cause disney doesn't seem to require the companies to spring for a quality show, like in the past. A HUGE THANK YOU to Subsonic for all the Love and effort he has put into making this site a reality. I wish and hope that Disney will return to its roots and begin putting more Love and effort back into their products, 'cause these quick, one time only high profit movies, will not stand the test of time, no one will watch cars, buy it's DVD or toys 60 years from now, like they do with Alice in Wonderland. I hope That Disney strays away from this disposable trend that is so popular these days, and returns to creating with more love and quality for everyones future.

It can it just cost more.

agingerbugg · Post by **agingerbugg** » Jul Thu 03, 2008 9:18 am

Captain Schnemo wrote: What makes you say that?

We are advancing so quickly now that it is cost prohibitive to even try to keep ahead. They would need to make changes every two to three years. Look at CoP, it hasn't been updated in ten years and it really really shows. We have technology now that wasn't even imagined ten years ago.

Captain Schnemo · Post by **Captain Schnemo** » Jul Thu 03, 2008 10:08 am

That's a nonsense argument that you've been tricked into believing after years of low expectations from Disney. The very lesson of the Carousel is that tech changes quickly, and has been doing so for a long time. The difference between today and the 80s is no more shocking than the difference between the 80s and the 60s or the 60s and the 40s.

Any attraction that would need to be updated every couple of years isn't looking far enough ahead (eg, Innoventions). The trick isn't to just use whatever is current to peek a couple years into the future and look "modern". To create a real vision of the future, you have to cheat with the tech (because it hasn't been invented yet) and leap forward at least a couple decades and come up with something that doesn't simply look like today with a few more HD screens around. If you're trying to impress with proper usage of current tech, you're obsolete before anyone even sees it.

It's got to look different enough that it's clearly not just a riff on the latest electronics expo.

agingerbugg wrote:We have technology now that wasn't even imagined ten years ago.

That's quite an overstatement. If you want to talk imagination, how about all the stuff imagined in Horizons that hasn't come true yet?

Most of what we consider cutting edge was imagined ages ago. Jules Verne imagined the nuclear submarine and moonshots almost a century before we got around to them, and I can't think of anything around now that hasn't been imagined on a grander scale for decades.

If Disney would only spend the time and effort to get a few real futurists (or at least a couple of guys of above average intelligence and a case of beer) together, they could produce something really special, instead of throwing together a few tablescraps and convincing people it's fine cuisine.

(Sorry to go off on you, but this particular issue drives me crazy, as it's responsible for the intellectual death of Epcot, among other things.)

agingerbugg · Post by **agingerbugg** » Jul Thu 03, 2008 10:34 am

Captain Schnemo wrote: (Sorry to go off on you, but this particular issue drives me crazy, as it's responsible for the intellectual death of Epcot, among other things.)

No need to apologize. I am with you on EPCOT. It has always been my favorite park, but lately it has become dull.

danimal3114u · Post by **danimal3114u** » Jul Thu 03, 2008 11:40 am

Captain Schnemo wrote: If Disney would only spend the time and effort to get a few real futurists (or at least a couple of guys of above average intelligence and a case of beer) together, they could produce something really special,

True, and quite funny. Along with this argument, just look at the original tomorrowland. They weren't thinking ten or even 20 years into the future, but 1985 (I believe). They shot for the moon probably knowing that this wouldn't pan out exactly as it's shown. But it's fun to imagine. Tomorrowland was a different type of fantasyland that focused on the amazing possibilities of what humankind could achieve if they wanted it. I don't believe anyone really imagined that rocket packs would be the preffered mode of transportation around town, but they still had the rocket man there to open up Tomorrowland because it represented what might be in the future.

JWG · Post by **JWG** » Jul Thu 03, 2008 12:39 pm

Iger is at least one rung higher than Eisner - the parks are getting needed refurbs approved and there's a rumor list fairly long of more to come that seems viable. No huge attraction additions necessarily but hopefully a working DCA and our old favorites in working condition.

earningmyfins · Post by **earningmyfins** » Jul Sun 13, 2008 3:35 pm

It breaks my heart reading this only because I know that it is true...
Why? We need someone like Disney, always creative and always dedicated. We've been in a dead zone without his brilliant plans.
What we see now-a-days is rides based off of movies or characters shoved into parks. Look at Disney's older rides, hardly any of them featured characters, they were the first of their kind, he always thought ahead. He made rides that stood on their own. Take the Jungle Cruise for example or the the Enchanted Tiki Room, both we thought up from creativity, not from what we see in the movies. Just like Priates of the Caribbean or the Haunted Mansion (however they were made in to movies...)
The other day I was listening to the full Carousel of Progress (Walt's) and most of the ideas that he put into the show featured technology that didn't even exsist back then and his ideas for the future (if were taken into consideration) would've made our community a better place to live.
It sucks not having him around but if he was here just think of how wonderful life at Disney would be, or the Disney Channel, or Disney characters.... just imagine.

Croaker · Post by **Croaker** » Jul Mon 14, 2008 2:19 pm

Imagination is just something made up...it no longer exists.

earningmyfins · Post by **earningmyfins** » Jul Mon 14, 2008 9:46 pm

Croaker wrote:Imagination is just something made up...it no longer exists.

those are some strong words and i have to agree with you.

pkbabygirl · Post by **pkbabygirl** » Jul Wed 16, 2008 11:47 am

nirvashone wrote:
Captain Schnemo wrote:
Croaker wrote:What happened?
Eisner.
Eisner was there strictly for profit. I remember being little and always wanting to go to Epcot just for Innovations. Back in the day they had endorsement from SEGA, Nintendo, Sony and others, and it was so much fun. No every time i go into innovation i feel like im walking into a home and garden show

I could not have said that better.

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