Poll: Should SR limit the amount of requests made in a row?

Cheshire Cat · Post by **Cheshire Cat** » Feb Wed 13, 2008 5:30 pm

I voted 'yes'

I very rarely request songs anymore, but when I do want to hear something specific... I want to hear it NOW (or as soon as possible) because I'm a lazy American

. I don't like having to wait for two users who have each requested four hours worth of music (exaggeration). IMO it's a form of system abuse.

One hour of songs (or a single track of an hour or more) should be enough. It's kind of selfish if people think they need more than that.

There are many more people now capable of requesting multiple hours of music. Just think of how it would be if everyone DID request multiple hours of music. The stream would be backed up for days.

This doesn't hinder how much music people can request, just the time span in which it is requested.

Post by **spaulo** » Feb Wed 13, 2008 6:02 pm

Cheshire Cat wrote:This doesn't hinder how much music people can request, just the time span in which it is requested.

Actually that's not true. There would be an upper limit to the number of points one can use before they start regenerating, essentially putting a cap on points.

Essentially, if we're saying that you can make 3600 points worth of requests (1 hour), and then cannot request again until that/those tracks play, and the average request backup lately seems to have been around 3 hours or so, that means that if you tried requesting as often as you could, you'd use about 21,600 points.

And that includes staying up all night.

In a more-average 18 hour day, the usable cap drops to about 16,200 points. How many posts does it require to get to 16,200 points? 1,440.

I'm there. js and eagle4life are already past the cap, as are AKLRULZ, Dr. Ravenscroft and Lion Sleeps Tonight...

And in a 9-hour work day, you're talking 8,100 usable points. It takes just 630 posts to get to that level. The proposed system effectively caps the number of points a user can earn to a level below the current level of the 16 most active users on the site (not counting Sub).

I'm not saying everyone has to care... but just be aware that the proposed system puts a cap on the number of points one can use, and that a few users are already past this cap.

Post by **Subsonic Radio** » Feb Wed 13, 2008 6:38 pm

Very nice Spaulo. That said, most of those users who have that many posts, aren't posting for points anymore. Yes, it does limit them...sorry. In this case, I think there are faaaaaar more users who would like to get their requests in when they come to the site.

Ugh, the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few. I hate that term, but I must adhere to it in the case of a website.

Post by **spaulo** » Feb Wed 13, 2008 6:40 pm

I was just putting some facts out there.

And as for what you "must" adhere to... you must adhere to whatever you wish to adhere to, Subby. It's your sandbox we're all playing in.

disneylandmom · Post by **disneylandmom** » Feb Wed 13, 2008 8:09 pm

I would just like to see individuals of the Subsonic Community self govern and not request more than an hour block (or what ever block of time Subsonic feels is appropriate) at a time without having to have limitations put on users. I would like to think that this could be accomplished without having to put in new restrictions to the system. I like the request stream as is and have really only encountered this problem on a few occasions.

Post by **js3901** » Feb Wed 13, 2008 9:16 pm

I voted "YES" but only when looking at the "big picture". from a personal standpoint, I would say "NO", but that's just me with the biggest point total of anyone on the site without direct access to the player.

If we do set a limit, I would say the limit should be the longest track time, instead of just an exact 60 minutes. there are very few tracks that are over an hour long, but they are some of my favorites if/when I happen to request, which isn't very often. I've put my time in on the site/forums, and I'd like to be able to hear "Illuminations - An Evening.." or "The Land - Interior loop" on occasion.

FlyingMouse · Post by **FlyingMouse** » Feb Wed 13, 2008 9:40 pm

Voted No. Newbie's (who don't know the "code of conduct") don't have enough points to cause problems.

Veterans who have the points would, in my opinion, would follow a written request to keep under the longest track length.

But maybe say only during prime requesting times(whatever those are). It's 3am and you're the only one on, go for it!

casrin · Post by **casrin** » Feb Wed 13, 2008 9:53 pm

I think that if there are repeat offenders, they should just be spoken to privately about not hogging up hours on end.

I know that I'm getting up there in points now (7600+) and if there are other users showing up online (in the who's online thing), I make a point of making just a few requests. If there's no one, or if I wait and no one's requesting, then I add a few more.

Just be sensible, folks.

Post by **js3901** » Feb Wed 13, 2008 10:04 pm

to add to my prior post:

Before this post is counted, or any others I may post tonight, I have 34730 points. I will offer my points (on occasion) to someone who doesn't have enough to request something. As long as I'm available at the time, I request anything that's available for anyone. As I don;t use all my points, I'll give them to anyone who needs them. farbeit for me to deprive someone a "taste of the good life", so to speak...

Post by **YZFDonor** » Feb Wed 13, 2008 10:37 pm

This was, and is, a very hot topic in the chat lately and it seems the biggest problem is in the mornings. East coast has it all locked up when west cast wants to hear something. Unless I am way off with that, is there a way of either self-governing or making it so only an hour [or some set time] can be requested during "peak" hours and the cap is lifted in the afternoons, evenings, and weekends...

I am a strong advocate of self-governence but when it fails, rules/laws must be used.

Short version:
Voted NO
Can we talk to the main "offenders" (who usually request my favorite tracks I can't "afford")

HSolo29 · Post by **HSolo29** » Feb Wed 13, 2008 10:37 pm

I had to go with my gut feeling and vote no. Points are something that you work for(by posting here in the forums) and I think you should be able to use them as you see fit. But of course, like casrin said, be sensible about it. Don't go hogging up the stream every chance you get. But if you're the only one online, then I don't see a problem with it.

TheCheshireStitch · Post by **TheCheshireStitch** » Feb Wed 13, 2008 10:54 pm

see, another problem here is that the majority of the voters in this poll are regulars on these forums. thus, i think in the end the results may a bit skewed. newbies, who may be discouraged from requesting due to large blocks of requests, would not be here to vote. i know, just from my experience, at least one person who was.

i told a family member of mine about subsonic and when i asked why they never requested, they told me it was because the requests always seem to be full whenever she's come on. she still listens to the stream, but not as much as she would if she could be involved with requests in a reasonable span of time.

i'm an east coaster, who is basically on pacific time (i wake up pretty late lol) and when i come onto subsonic in the morning, especially in the last couple of weeks, it's not unusual to see the request queue full for the majority of the work day.

also, this is also a problem on the weeknd-- not just weekdays. just this past weekend someone requested over 3 hours of tracks (and 2 of those hours were resort tv

). my family and i like to listen to the requests while we make weekend dinners together, and that was kind of a bummer.

also, maybe i'm wrong saying this, but i thought these forums were to interact with other disney music fans...not to "work for" to get points. i mean, yea, it's nice to be loyal...but do people really work hard at posting just to rack up points? i kind of thought the forums were more a leisure thing...and that the points were a nice perk.

so, just more of my 2 cents.

Bullwinkle · Post by **Bullwinkle** » Feb Wed 13, 2008 10:56 pm

Sounds Like We Need a Subsonic Fast Pass

HSolo29 · Post by **HSolo29** » Feb Wed 13, 2008 11:46 pm

TheCheshireStitch wrote:also, maybe i'm wrong saying this, but i thought these forums were to interact with other disney music fans...not to "work for" to get points. i mean, yea, it's nice to be loyal...but do people really work hard at posting just to rack up points? i kind of thought the forums were more a leisure thing...and that the points were a nice perk.

Maybe "work" was the wrong word to use. Sorry about that. "Earned" fits in so much better. But it's still the same idea. You earn those points and it should be up to you on how you spend them. But again, I must reiterate the point to do so sensibly.

TheCheshireStitch wrote:also, this is also a problem on the weeknd-- not just weekdays. just this past weekend someone requested over 3 hours of tracks (and 2 of those hours were resort tv ). my family and i like to listen to the requests while we make weekend dinners together, and that was kind of a bummer.

Okay, you got me there. I logged on at one point to see the hour blocks of resort TV and it got me down as well. I can sympathize with that. Stuff like that is definitely not cool. That's why this decision is gonna be a hard one to make - you have several pros and cons on each side and it'll be near to impossible to please everyone.

packwingfn · Post by **packwingfn** » Feb Thu 14, 2008 10:06 am

I voted "NO", I know that whenever I see a long list of queues, I usually switch channels to Soarin/Scheduled or Background and wait for another day.

I have a good amount of points but I only use a majority of them if I see that noone is online (late at night) but during the day, I will just hold my requests to a few not wanting to upset anyone. I know not everyone likes the same BGM as myself so I watch it.