Security Bag Checks - what a waste

knedeau · Post by **knedeau** » Feb Fri 09, 2007 10:07 am

subsonic wrote:She should have chugged it outside.

Actually, the guy wouldn't let her drink it, he pulled it out of her bag and made a bit of a scene about it. he was a bit of a jerk if you ask me.

kristen · Post by **kristen** » Feb Sat 10, 2007 3:51 pm

Yes, it's a complete waste of time. Anyone who thinks they are actually safer with the bag checks at the Disney parks or airline security, are really living in la-la land. If someone really wants to do bad things, they will. And don't say it deters the weirdos who are just doing small-scale things. It has been noted time and time again that airport security can't even spot knives or other weapons in carry-on baggage. The majority of the time, Disney "security" doesn't even look in my bag, and the times they do, they are majorly snotty about it (they have the TSA former-jock "I have an inch of power and I'm going to run with it" complex).

My friend works at our local (small) airport doing various duties. My other friend was asking him what would be the best method to get recreational drugs onto the plane at this airport. His advice? Just carry them on in your pocket. And I have to say from numerous flights at this airport, it's true. They wanna swab my pin bag for explosives, but nevermind the cocaine or knife in my pocket (NO, I do not take drugs or weapons on the plane, I was just making a point).

Post by **subsonic** » Feb Sun 11, 2007 2:36 pm

I don't see a metal knife getting through the metal detectors, but one could make a knife out of ceramic or smoething.

borjoyzee · Post by **borjoyzee** » Feb Wed 14, 2007 8:41 pm

It's a good idea, but I think it's flawed though. Needs improvement.

realcal · Post by **realcal** » Mar Sat 10, 2007 12:50 pm

I don't understand why people with the mega strollers often get waved through without being checked, even when they are loaded with bags stuffed under the stroller. I am sure it is a time thing, but if I were planning something sinister, that is how I would get my "stuff" into the park. It just illustrates the ridiculous nature of "security" that is being presented at the parks.

thecleverarachnid · Post by **thecleverarachnid** » Mar Tue 20, 2007 9:42 pm

I just wish they hadn't roped off the entrance plazas like they had to. That's the part that really burns my broccoli, that they have this HUGE, beautiful empty space and they funnel guests through this one tiny point. I mean, I know Disney puts Safety ahead of Show, but come on. Come on.

Also, the world didn't magically change on 9/11. It was a dangerous place then, it's a dangerous place now.

kristen · Post by **kristen** » Mar Wed 21, 2007 8:31 am

thecleverarachnid wrote:Also, the world didn't magically change on 9/11. It was a dangerous place then, it's a dangerous place now.

Well said. We were always living in a dangerous world. 9/11 just showed some people how dangerous it could be, and woke up some people who were living in lala-land. No country is immune to this kind of thing, and no amount of security is going to stop someone who really wants to cause that kind of harm.

kgmadorin · Post by **kgmadorin** » Mar Wed 21, 2007 10:21 am

Maelstrom wrote:Well said. We were always living in a dangerous world. 9/11 just showed some people how dangerous it could be, and woke up some people who were living in lala-land. No country is immune to this kind of thing, and no amount of security is going to stop someone who really wants to cause that kind of harm.

But don't you think there's some merit in putting a few hurdles in front of these bastards, rather than just giving them free reign?

kristen · Post by **kristen** » Mar Wed 21, 2007 4:44 pm

kgmadorin wrote:But don't you think there's some merit in putting a few hurdles in front of these bastards, rather than just giving them free reign?

I think the "hurdles" make some people feel better and safer, but I honestly don't think the "security" does anything. "They" already have free reign, no matter what people think. "They" will do what they want, hurdles, security, or not.

Post by **js3901** » Mar Wed 21, 2007 7:22 pm

kgmadorin wrote:But don't you think there's some merit in putting a few hurdles in front of these bastards, rather than just giving them free reign?

only if those that want to do harm use the front door, so to speak. If they want to enter the park using the front entrance. But, how easy it is to sneak in through the sides or in the back. act like a CM on his way into work, only instead of going all the way in, hops a fence or two then blends in with the crowd.

The only place I've een (and been to) that has had any kind of decent security is the Statue of Liberty in NYC. I went there for New Years 2006, and a friend and I decided to visit the Statue and Ellis Island. just to get on the ferry, had to pass through metal detectors with police and army personnel stationed with m16a machine guns. if you wanted to visit the museum inside the statue, you had to pass through ANOTHER metal detector, this one complete with a "bomb sniffer" (a device which simultaniously blows air into your clothes and "smells" for substances that could be used in a bomb). If Disney used, at minimum, the metal detectors, I'd feel a bit safer. if they used the bomb sniffer model, then I'd feel really safe.

Not that I DON'T feel safe now, but I do feel a bit on the vulnerable side with the security checks that are there now. not to mention the fact that they waste my time to enjoy in the parks...

kgmadorin · Post by **kgmadorin** » Mar Wed 21, 2007 7:52 pm

js3901 wrote: The only place I've een (and been to) that has had any kind of decent security is the Statue of Liberty in NYC. I went there for New Years 2006, and a friend and I decided to visit the Statue and Ellis Island. just to get on the ferry, had to pass through metal detectors with police and army personnel stationed with m16a machine guns. if you wanted to visit the museum inside the statue, you had to pass through ANOTHER metal detector, this one complete with a "bomb sniffer" (a device which simultaniously blows air into your clothes and "smells" for substances that could be used in a bomb).

You're absolutely right about the Statue of Liberty. I also visited in 2006 and was blown away at the amount of security. But would you want all this at the Disney resorts? Although the world is a scary place these days, I think Walt would be turning in his grave if Statue of Liberty-esque security was installed at the theme parks. After all, his philosophy about visiting a Disney park revolved around removing guests from the "outside world" and immersing them in a world of fantasy. The metal detectors, bomb sniffing machines, German shepherds, and machine gun armed security guards would render this goal moot.

Of course, in this day and age Disney has to walk a fine line. If something were to happen at a Disney park on a catastrophic scale, and Disney security was found to be lacking and at fault, the consequences would be incredibly severe.

Post by **js3901** » Mar Wed 21, 2007 8:21 pm

well, I wouldn't expect them to put fully armed and ready for action army troops on duty there. just the metal detectors to deter anything dangerous from entering. I'm sure even Uncle Walt, were he alive today, would rather his guests safe in his parks, regardless of the security precautions just outside the gates.

disneyinfopage · Post by **disneyinfopage** » Mar Mon 26, 2007 2:53 pm

...and if you really want to get anal about the whole screening process, why not screen at the monorail / ferry entrance at the TTC? Passing through the Contemporary resort, for example, with something stuffed in your bag could cause a lot of destruction.

I agree about the screening creating a false sense of security; and I also agree that it's all for show and nothing for safety. (In my opinion.) However, it doesn't seem that it's going away any time soon, because they've set up "permanent" tables.

Judy

tergiversate · Post by **tergiversate** » Apr Wed 04, 2007 7:35 pm

I wouldn't say that it destroys the Disney feeling, but it adds that one little pit stop of "hey, remember flying in? relive it again!" right up there with driving commutes and airport lines - daily inconviences in the 21st cent.

packwingfn · Post by **packwingfn** » Apr Thu 05, 2007 11:29 am

I always wish I didn't like taking pictures so I didn't have to wait in that line but luckily my bag is really small so I'm usually in and out. Next time, I think I'm just gonna put my camera in my pocket with the bag so I don't have to always wait in that miserable line.