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Magic Kingdom not getting enough pixie dust

Post by rdeacon » Sep Fri 22, 2006 8:47 am

I was surfing around the other day and stumbled upon this article:
miceage.com wrote: WDW Upgrades

Just in the last few weeks Anaheim has seen a dizzying array of executives from both Burbank and Orlando arrive for tours and overviews of the property, and their interest in Anaheim was mostly due to the successes Matt Ouimet and his team have achieved there in the last three years.

In late August a small group of senior managers from Walt Disney World's Magic Kingdom park arrived to tour Disneyland and its E-Ticket attractions which have seen a renaissance in technology and TLC in the last few years. While Southern Californians have grown accustomed to constant changes and upgrades to all sorts of Disneyland attractions, from small dark rides like Peter Pan's Flight to mega-attractions like Haunted Mansion or Pirates of the Caribbean, that level of investment hasn't materialized for the Magic Kingdom park out in Florida. In Florida most of the attractions have been allowed to stagnate with the same 1970's technology they've always had while only receiving the occasional but very short refurbishment to dust off the circa 1975 attractions. Occasionally a new attraction would open in the Magic Kingdom, but the rides that remained never got much TLC or investment in new technology. But now it seems that Ouimet's push in the last few years to plus and upgrade all manner of Disneyland attractions has finally caught the attention of the Magic Kingdom management out in Florida.

The group of touring Florida suits had a specific itinerary, visiting Disneyland's Jungle Cruise, Space Mountain, Haunted Mansion, Buzz Lightyear and Pirates of the Caribbean, which just happen to all be attractions that are noticeably better in California. And in the case of the older E-Tickets, they are all rides that have received constant upgrades and heavy reinvestment in the last five years at Disneyland while the Florida versions creak along with 30 year old technology and effects that no longer impress today's audience.

The power of Depp.
Even though Summer is over the lines remained long this past Sunday morning at Pirates

For instance, when the Florida group rode Pirates of the Caribbean, their mouths were wide open through almost the entire ride. The Floridians were amazed not because Disneyland is blessed with an additional 8 minutes of ride time with many show scenes missing from Florida, as they were already well aware of the physical difference between the two pirate rides. The Floridians were so impressed because Disneyland received a much more thorough makeover this last winter when both rides were closed for their Johnny Depp installations. In Florida, the rehab was cut into two separate sections to allow the ride to open for the busy Easter Vacation period. (With fewer attractions overall in the Magic Kingdom compared to Disneyland, the operations folks insisted they get the ride capacity back for Easter much to the annoyance of the Imagineers).

But at Disneyland during the Pirates rehab they replaced every single speaker in the entire ride, rewired all of the electrical to support new lighting and digital data infrastructure, and gave every single animatronic a tune-up. Plus there was much repainting, reworking existing show scenes, and lots of extra props and eye candy brought directly from the movie production. But in the Florida version of Pirates during this last rehab they purposely took a much more limited approach to reworking the attraction and its infrastructure.

Take Disneyland's dazzling new audio system for instance that replaced every single speaker in the facility; but in Florida they only installed new speakers where a new Johnny Depp figure appeared, or where new dialogue or sound effects were added. There are still long sections of the Florida ride that are using old 1970's-era speakers and lighting technology. The end result in Florida is a muddled mix of 1973 speakers broadcasting next to 2006 speakers, and lighting and digital effects that clearly got the short end of the stick compared to the lush Disneyland treatment.

No more "one of a kind" items, just lotsa junk.
Work continues on the former One of a Kind/Bat en Rouge shop in New Orleans Square.

Needless to say the small group of Florida managers were blown away, and exited Disneyland's 16 minute long version of Pirates convinced they had made a big mistake by not budgeting as much money as Anaheim had. While the tough local crowd here in Southern California can easily critique anything new added to Disneyland, yours truly included, the news of this Florida contingent visiting Disneyland to see what they've been missing is a good reminder that our local executives have been doing many things right in the last few years. And when it comes to overall showmanship and reinvestment in older attractions, Disneyland has clearly been doing a better job compared to its Magic Kingdom cousin out in Florida.

While Pirates of the Caribbean was only one stop on the tour, it was one of the best examples of the differences between Anaheim and Orlando. Lucky for the Floridians they will have a second chance at getting a Pirates rehab right when both attractions close again in 2007 to get ready for the third installment in the wildly successful movie franchise. The third movie premiere has already been slotted for Disneyland around the middle of May, and this time the refurbishment will add Kiera Knightly and Orlando Bloom animatronic figures (despite what some in Imagineering are saying otherwise).

The Disneyland project managers and Imagineers have been trying to figure out the schedule, and it looks now like the Disneyland attraction should be closed for three and a half months from roughly early February to around May 19th. The Floridians had been thinking of only a six or seven week rehab from just after Easter until the third installment of the movie opens May 25th. But the recent visit to Disneyland has them rethinking those plans, and they may try to go for the more ambitious Disneyland-style full rehab of their 34 year old attraction.
I find this very sad...and hopefully just a residue of the old Einser ways.

I know there are differences between the DL pirates and the MK one, and have heard it do to the water tables, thus the lack of a second drop, etc, and I can accept that. The original pirates in DL is one main reason for me to visit DL one day. Not all the rides have to be identical.

But what is unacceptable is the 1/2 assed rehabs they appear to be doing in WDW. For the amount of revenue WDW generates there should be no issue with budgets. And if you are going to shut down a ride, why not do it right the first time?? I have noticed that rides have remained the same at WDW, worse just closed without replacement. It just seems with the amount of revenue that WDW generates there should not be any issue in rehabbing/replacing attractions. Maybe it's just a case of poor management...either way its sad.

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Post by subsonic » Sep Fri 22, 2006 11:27 am

Even though I haven't been to WDW in a long time I think that Disneyland is getting more attention because it was very bad for a while. Ever since the 1998 Tomorrowland. They are just trying to make up for their mistakes. There will always be competition between the coasts. I agree with the article in regards to the pirates upgrade. They should replace all the speakers and not have gone half-assed on the MK version.

On the flipside, Disneyland has gotten baby versions of WDW attractions. Two examples are Tower of Terror and Winnie the Pooh.
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Post by sockfire » Sep Sat 23, 2006 1:19 am

Disneyland has always received a large amount of attention, it's just that that energy was leeched off to form DCA starting about 10 years ago. Once DCA was "done" some of the energy was refocused back to Disneyland. And now we are seeing the benefits of that restored energy.

I think WDW suffers mainly because there are so many parks. The focus can get lost on a new E-Ticket (recently Mission Space and Expedition Everest), and the rest of the parks suffer. It's sad, but eventually the focus will come back around.

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Post by Captain Schnemo » Sep Sat 23, 2006 8:15 am

Being a WDW native, I have to say that while DL's Pirates had more stuff, I liked the pacing of the WDW version better. There are longer pauses in it's a small world and Pirates where the fun seemed to drain away for a few moments during the rides.

Could be my Gen X upbringing or just that I was simply used to the WDW versions, but what is nice about the DL versions is that more room was left for improvements that wouldn't require eliminating existing good stuff.

I'm pretty bummed about the removal of the final Pirates scene from the WDW ride to make room for Johnny Depp. The image of the soldiers tied up in the background with the pirates taking part in a drunken celebration in the foreground is classic and iconic.

Of course, most people I know who grew up with the DL version think the WDW one feels rushed, which is probably a fair assessment.

When I visited DL in the late 90s, I was really jealous of their Fantasyland makeover. I thought that was exactly the sort of thing a Disney park should do...honor the past, but continue to improve things. Nostalgia is nothing to sneeze at, but you also have to keep new generations interested. I thought they had struck an excellent balance there.

WDW is famous for creating cool and innovative rides, letting them stagnate, then using the fact that people notice and dislike the stagnation as a reason for removing the attractions entirely. When I think of how cool Horizons could have been if they'd continued to upgrade the tech, it makes me very sad. (It also makes me request the Horizons flow-through constantly.)

I liked the gist of the article, which seems to be that the WDW execs had learned a valuable lesson by checking out DL and will hopefully bring this lesson home. I am, of course, skeptical, but things seem more likely to improve now than before, which is a start.

I also agree that a major problem at WDW is spreading themselves too thin. I don't think they have ever really recovered from opening a half-assed movie theme park, and letting Epcot fall apart in the process.
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Post by csquare77 » Sep Sat 23, 2006 8:25 am

Well I think we all know that Disney rushed MGM to counter universal studios.

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Post by Captain Schnemo » Sep Tue 26, 2006 12:13 pm

One major difference between ripping off Universal Studios and ripping off Busch Gardens is that a movie studio is a really lame theme for a park.

Showing you the nuts and bolts of how movies are created is antithetical to the idea of a theme park, which is supposed to surround you in illusion. And if you're only going to do immersive stuff like the Tower of Terror, then that really doesn't belong in a movie park. (It's not based on a movie and its connection to a movie studio is extremely weak at best.)

Of course, the larger issue is that the park was very obviously a crowd sponge and never a fully thought-out park from the start.

Animal Kingdom is certainly a much better attempt, but it still opened with far too little to justify it is as a stand-alone park. Having the MK and Epcot around the corner allowed WDW to be lazy with its creations.

I feel bad for those who get one-day non-hopper passes for the Studios...

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Post by spaulo » Sep Tue 26, 2006 1:15 pm

they'd probably spend a lot of time on RnR and ToT... gotta feel REAL bad those who get a one-day non-hopper Studios pass and have wee ones or weak stomachs... you can only sit through Playhouse Disney Live on Stage and Voyage of the Little Mermaid so many times...
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Post by Just Believe » Sep Tue 26, 2006 7:24 pm

I'm a Disneyland native! I've been there 15 times including my visit which will be this weekend. I know it frontwards and backwards. Since I'm a native to DL I can't speak for MK too much but I do know it's quality is lacking the Walt Disney magic. DL is blessed with Walt's spirit so it adds extra attention to historians and the public. Speaking of history, Disneyland is more monumental in American history then Magic Kingdom will ever be. Magic Kingdom also lacks the Matterhorn, New Orleans, and Mr. Toad Wild Ride. Though the Pooh ride in MK is SO MUCH BETTER then DL's, MK lacks the "feeling" of Walt
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Post by Croaker » Sep Tue 26, 2006 10:51 pm

spaulo wrote:they'd probably spend a lot of time on RnR and ToT... gotta feel REAL bad those who get a one-day non-hopper Studios pass and have wee ones or weak stomachs... you can only sit through Playhouse Disney Live on Stage and Voyage of the Little Mermaid so many times...
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Post by rdeacon » Sep Fri 29, 2006 7:39 am

Captain Schnemo wrote:One major difference between ripping off Universal Studios and ripping off Busch Gardens is that a movie studio is a really lame theme for a park.

Showing you the nuts and bolts of how movies are created is antithetical to the idea of a theme park, which is supposed to surround you in illusion. And if you're only going to do immersive stuff like the Tower of Terror, then that really doesn't belong in a movie park. (It's not based on a movie and its connection to a movie studio is extremely weak at best.)

Of course, the larger issue is that the park was very obviously a crowd sponge and never a fully thought-out park from the start.

Animal Kingdom is certainly a much better attempt, but it still opened with far too little to justify it is as a stand-alone park. Having the MK and Epcot around the corner allowed WDW to be lazy with its creations.

I feel bad for those who get one-day non-hopper passes for the Studios...
I would disagree that a movie theme is a bad idea for a theme park if done right. I feel both MGM and Universal missed the mark. MGM although more aesthetically pleasing is all over the map when it comes to themeing. They go from movies, to tv, aerosmith? Kind of a mixed bag. Universal is themed truer to the movies, but is just ugly. Nothing like looking at large square buildings... whoo exciting.

Just seems with the magic that movies create they could have done a lot with the theme.

It’s sad that MGM is ½ of a park. If it wasn’t for Fantasmic everyone would leave after a ½ day. It’s good to see that they are expanding Animal Kingdom and making that more then ½ park, guess we all have to hope they add the Beastly Kingdom.

Disney’s design for the newer parks seem to have been half complete, which has to fall on Eisner’s shoulders. I know Iger and Lassater are looking to fix DCA, maybe they will also focus on making MGM more complete. Guess we will have to wait and see.


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Post by Captain Schnemo » Sep Fri 29, 2006 10:19 am

I think studio-based movie attractions have pretty much been failures. As you say, Universal is ugly because movie studios are ugly. All the attractions that are supposed to show you "behind the scenes" stuff are just a license to cheap out on the theming. Special effects have never been particularly interesting when you break them down (finding out your favorite spaceship is plastic on the outside and plywood on the inside is a bummer) and now that so much is done by computer, it's even more boring.

The alleged premise of US and MGM is that they are supposed to be studios, but since nothing is really shot on either any more, they don't have the novelty of being functioning studios. And fake studios are boring. I think the fact that the Tower and Aerosmith were added shows that you can't get all that much mileage out of a studio theme.

Universal has also moved away from "this is how we make movies" to "these are attractions based on movies". Those can be good, but they also lead to strange choices for immortalization. The MIB movies are OK, but they are not classics, and will probably be largely unremembered years from now. Twister? C'mon.

At least MGM has stronger properties (although I take issue with a rollercoaster based on crossdressing, crotch-grabbing, drug-addled geezers in a Disney park).

I'm not saying that great movie-based attractions (eg, Peter Pan) can't be made, just that the studio element is weak.

And I agree that the lack of a Beastly Kingdom is a real bummer. Having extinct and mythical animals in the Kingdom is a cool idea. There is still a dragon in the AK logo, isn't there?

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Post by Dr. Ravenscroft » Oct Sun 01, 2006 10:39 pm

rdeacon wrote: It’s sad that MGM is ½ of a park. If it wasn’t for Fantasmic everyone would leave after a ½ day.


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I like MGM and spend most of a day there all the time, unfortunatly I won't be able to this October due to prior obligations, but I would if I could. The only thing that has annoyed me about MGM is the removal of the Studio part. They used to actually work on films there, now it is a joke for those interested in animation.

I kind of wish they could add the Indiana Jones ride from Disneyland, but I don't want the stunt spectacular to go. I'm torn, maybe put the DL version in AK instead, that would attrached more people too.
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Post by rdeacon » Oct Tue 03, 2006 7:58 am

Dr. Ravenscroft wrote:
Careful now Quickgold will reach through your computer to smack you. :lol:
haha.. never said I didn't like MGM.. just not my favorite park.

Just think it needs some more attractions to make it a full park.

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Post by bbowen13 » Oct Tue 03, 2006 9:00 am

I agree with Rich, when MGM first opened I thought it would be an exciting park. After going to it the first time it felt like they opened it with the feel that more areas would be opened later. Now they did add a couple of things but it just seems like they could do so much more with it. For me MGM and AK are a 1/2 a day each.

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Post by jd3921fl » Oct Tue 03, 2006 1:30 pm

How could the disparity of gotten so great? Doesn't the left hand know what the right is doing? It just seems like poor management to have your execs from one park blown away at what the other has been able to do? Ever heard of a conference call?

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