Disney Guest Caught On Vid Choking Bus Driver

[Amy]

...I haven't been to Disney in a while but I can just imagine the changes in the attitudes of the young families. I teach preschool, and a good percentage of the families are just as you have described. I have been teaching for over 20 yrs and have seen the changes--ME FIRST, I'M MORE IMPORTANT. I'm refering to the parents

And that attitude is trickling down to the next generation

I KNOW!!!!!!!!!!! What are we going to do?!
I know, a designated bus for obnoxious parents with even more obnoxious children

I wonder if anyone would willingly designate themselves as obnoxious though Heck, if the line was short, I might consider taking the risk!

[nicklesm17]

personally, i rarely get to sit going to or from the parks. due to lack of space i always stand w/ my stroller in the back stairwell as to not be in anyones way passing, and so that others (women, children, seniors) may sit. i too have noticed some rude families who have failed to pass down good manners from generation to generation. yet i have seen more more of another kind of people than that. the people who travel w/out children and seem angry that children are present at wdw. which is where this particular forum seems to be going. these people scowl at children and their parents. no meltdowns, no fun that is too loud, no acting silly. they are quick to comment their opinions of disapproval out loud. my wife and i went to disney for many years before we recently had our children. although at times it was irritating if not downright aggravating the way some children acted, we always remembered this place was equally theirs if not more so. in walts own words, he created this place so KIDS could have fun w/ their parents. i am not bashing on childless people, just reminding any angry people that as you enjoy walts dream, remember who it was designed for and try to be more tolerant.

[Amy]

personally, i rarely get to sit going to or from the parks. due to lack of space i always stand w/ my stroller in the back stairwell as to not be in anyones way passing, and so that others (women, children, seniors) may sit. i too have noticed some rude families who have failed to pass down good manners from generation to generation. yet i have seen more more of another kind of people than that. the people who travel w/out children and seem angry that children are present at wdw. which is where this particular forum seems to be going. these people scowl at children and their parents. no meltdowns, no fun that is too loud, no acting silly. they are quick to comment their opinions of disapproval out loud. my wife and i went to disney for many years before we recently had our children. although at times it was irritating if not downright aggravating the way some children acted, we always remembered this place was equally theirs if not more so. in walts own words, he created this place so KIDS could have fun w/ their parents. i am not bashing on childless people, just reminding any angry people that as you enjoy walts dream, remember who it was designed for and try to be more tolerant.

Tolerance I understand, but a downright disregard for others sharing the same space...no, I don't find that to be ok. I don't think anyone on this forum who travels without children minds seeing kids enjoying WDW. In fact, as Mouskedude mentioned in the daytime photos at Disney thread, sometimes things are best viewed through the eyes of a child. I totally appreciate the fact that there will be meltdowns (that doesn't just apply to children, it also can apply to tired grown-ups!), and tired children getting hyper or simply having fun. I usually try to give a sympathetic look toward the parent, or perhaps a distracting goofy grin at the child having a bad moment. What I don't appreciate is when there are parents that expect their children to have every privilege (shoved in front at parades even though the "child" is as tall as me, or worse yet, asking if the child can stand in front of me (which I don't mind) and then having the child joined by their entire party of 14 so I can no longer see, not waiting their turn for characters, etc.) at the expense of other guests who do not have children. I think you are right nicklesm17, tolerance is something that should be shown by everyone visiting WDW, families of all different ages alike

[Sharonofwindham]

personally, i rarely get to sit going to or from the parks. due to lack of space i always stand w/ my stroller in the back stairwell as to not be in anyones way passing, and so that others (women, children, seniors) may sit. i too have noticed some rude families who have failed to pass down good manners from generation to generation. yet i have seen more more of another kind of people than that. the people who travel w/out children and seem angry that children are present at wdw. which is where this particular forum seems to be going. these people scowl at children and their parents. no meltdowns, no fun that is too loud, no acting silly. they are quick to comment their opinions of disapproval out loud. my wife and i went to disney for many years before we recently had our children. although at times it was irritating if not downright aggravating the way some children acted, we always remembered this place was equally theirs if not more so. in walts own words, he created this place so KIDS could have fun w/ their parents. i am not bashing on childless people, just reminding any angry people that as you enjoy walts dream, remember who it was designed for and try to be more tolerant.

OH NO! I have COMPLETELY given the wrong impression once again . I have also seen the people you are refering to, acting like your children are disrupting their day. I will intervene in ways if I can, just to show the kids that not all people are like that. I was rocking on the porch at Pioneer Hall FtW, when a 3 yr old began pushing a mans chair, the man got so upset! So I asked him to please rock my chair, that I had been waiting for someone to rock me. This little boy ended up sitting on my lap on the bus to HS that day(he had a very trusting and friendly Mom). Personally I would rather tolerate the occasional obnoxious parent so that I can have all the kids around. Disney is about kids of all ages! I was completely out of line when I said obnoxious children. I did not mean that. And like I said in an earlier post I enjoy helping families out on the buses. I put myself in their position. It's not a complete vacation for them with little ones in tow, and if I can help out just a little, great, I enjoy it. I once had a total stranger in a restroom ask if I would hold her baby so she could wash her hands, I stood close to the Mom because I knew this wasn't easy for her to do, she was kind of desparate after changing a diaper! Showing children that not all strangers are bad is important. Letting children of any size stand in front of me at a parade is a kick for me and I always look around me to see if I happen to be standing in front of children, it just doesn't feel right. Our polite and selfless actions influence children just as much as the parents. Anyone going on a Disney vacation need a nanny?

[Mousekedude]

personally, i rarely get to sit going to or from the parks. due to lack of space i always stand w/ my stroller in the back stairwell as to not be in anyones way passing, and so that others (women, children, seniors) may sit. i too have noticed some rude families who have failed to pass down good manners from generation to generation. yet i have seen more more of another kind of people than that. the people who travel w/out children and seem angry that children are present at wdw. which is where this particular forum seems to be going. these people scowl at children and their parents. no meltdowns, no fun that is too loud, no acting silly. they are quick to comment their opinions of disapproval out loud. my wife and i went to disney for many years before we recently had our children. although at times it was irritating if not downright aggravating the way some children acted, we always remembered this place was equally theirs if not more so. in walts own words, he created this place so KIDS could have fun w/ their parents. i am not bashing on childless people, just reminding any angry people that as you enjoy walts dream, remember who it was designed for and try to be more tolerant.

Tolerance I understand, but a downright disregard for others sharing the same space...no, I don't find that to be ok. I don't think anyone on this forum who travels without children minds seeing kids enjoying WDW. In fact, as Mouskedude mentioned in the daytime photos at Disney thread, sometimes things are best viewed through the eyes of a child. I totally appreciate the fact that there will be meltdowns (that doesn't just apply to children, it also can apply to tired grown-ups!), and tired children getting hyper or simply having fun....

Precisely. Don't worry, nicklesm17, no one (least of all, me...) on these boards is "anti-child." In fact, my other comments speak for themselves (thanks, Amy, for pointing to my other post on the "Daytime pictures" thread). The problem is not the kids. It's "parents" (I use that term loosely) who don't have any manners, and are therefore actually harming their own children by not teaching them properly or setting the right example. Funny how people need a license to drive, a license to go fishing, a license to do practically anything else... yet any ingnorant selfish clown can pop out some kids and inflict the sad results on the rest of mankind....
I love children. It's the "parents" I sometimes can't stand.

[mindflipper]

It is sad that sometimes the parents can be as immature and bad-tempered as a misbehaving child. There are those "brats" (children and adults alike) that can ruin the experience for the rest of us who don't misbehave. Where's Willy Wonka when you really need him?

[Satchel T]

I know you get a bad apple every now and then but personally I have never had a bus driver at Disney be anything but awesome ... very kind ... very informative ... and very encouraging!