Disney Guest Caught On Vid Choking Bus Driver

[Wizzard419]

That might explain why no charges are being filed.

The one odd thing is that Disney is claiming the driver acted correctly, so either they are only talking about "How to handle being choked" and ignoring the other part or they are talking about the whole incident.

[nicklesm17]

Often times my friends get frustrated w/ me because I take an opposite side of an opinion just for the sake of discussion and/or debate.

So allow me to take a step back here and just say that this video isn't complete. We first see the driver with the guest pinned up against the side door. What happened before that is anyone's guess. Also at approximately 1:50 of the video we hear someone say "That's not even right. He pushed him against the door with the baby in his hand." I am guessing they are referring to the driver of the bus pushing the guest b/c of two things.... A) as the video opens the driver has the guest pinned against the door and B) someone after the original comment says ""you can't strangle a bus driver though, really" making believe that in response to being pushed against the door, the guest then put his hands around the neck of the driver.

I am not saying the guest was justified in ANY way. In fact I think he made the situation much worse. But I also don't think that the driver should be covered in glory here either. I think you'll see some discipline for him as well as the the guest being told not to return.

supposedly, according to the person who filmed, the man was trying to gain priority entrance (cutting) under the pretense he had a new baby w/ him. somewhere between the film of him holding the baby, and then not (while strangling the driver) they say he actually threw the baby at the driver and his wife then retrieved it. http://www.wdwinfo.com/news/General_Dis ... tacked.htm i think this guy is beyond the benefit of doubt, but i too am curious why the driver did not press charges, especially w/ so many willing witnesses. ya, i wonder what this guy's like at home if he can't control it at a closing time disney bus stop, in front of a couple hundred staring families?

[Jacca5660]

Why isn't this man being charged with FELONY CHILD ABUSE?? He could have killed that child!! I can't understand why no charges are being filed? Orange county could file charges on their own!!

[Len90]

Why isn't this man being charged with FELONY CHILD ABUSE?? He could have killed that child!! I can't understand why no charges are being filed? Orange county could file charges on their own!!

Nobody called the OCSO in so there was no way to take a report at the scene and for officers to make the determination of what should be done. It seems like Disney just tried to quickly settle the dispute either for their benefit or for the sake of preventing a more major issue out of this.

[kcarts]

Why isn't this man being charged with FELONY CHILD ABUSE?? He could have killed that child!! I can't understand why no charges are being filed? Orange county could file charges on their own!!

Nobody called the OCSO in so there was no way to take a report at the scene and for officers to make the determination of what should be done. It seems like Disney just tried to quickly settle the dispute either for their benefit or for the sake of preventing a more major issue out of this.

The fact that no one called leads me to believe that the child was not thrown at the driver. I mean, if you or I saw someone throw their infant at a bus driver (I don't care where it was, WDW, NYC, Chicago, Boston) I think there would have been someone (if not us) who would have spoken up on the spot. Nevermind make a phone call. However, from everything I've seen and read, the guest appears to be the instigator here.

Another thing that strikes me is that the guest thinks he has priority over other guests b/c he has a baby. The wife is wearing a burka. I'm wondering if there are some cultural wires that got crossed here that may have set off the incident.

[mindflipper]

What concerns me is the fact of choosing to choke someone as the act of violence. Usually poeple push, hit, or kick when they attack. Here, he was choking. Choking or strangulation is far more malovent. I would be more willing to give a benefit of the doubt if he had chosen a less potentially lethal form of attack.

I also believe the baby-throwing story is hard to believe because there would definitely have been more action taken if they're had been. Hopefully more facts than rumors will soon come out about this situation.

[Wizzard419]

For all we know what was seen as choking was actually the guy grabbing his shoulders and shaking him. There is something up though if the driver elected to not press charges. I wouldn't be surprised if it was Disney coercing him to not do it as he might not have a job when he came back.

[Jacca5660]

For all we know what was seen as choking was actually the guy grabbing his shoulders and shaking him. There is something up though if the driver elected to not press charges. I wouldn't be surprised if it was Disney coercing him to not do it as he might not have a job when he came back.

Gimme me a break!!! You corporate types!! I guess everybody is lying!

[Wizzard419]

Let me just make a note in your file about being prone to outburts and paranoia.

They will have a "Special tour" just for you next time you come to the parks.

[nicklesm17]

For all we know what was seen as choking was actually the guy grabbing his shoulders and shaking him. There is something up though if the driver elected to not press charges. I wouldn't be surprised if it was Disney coercing him to not do it as he might not have a job when he came back.

certainly the baby throwing is up for speculation. i don't doubt that some sort of extreme child mishandling was present for the eyewitness to so stongly make the statement, but i agree that that mid air throwing (and i'd then assume dropping to the floor) of a child you'd hope would get more police involvement then just whether the bus driver wants to press charges or not. now, i don't think the choking is up for issue. they've updated the video w/ several close-up slow-mo's. he's definitely got that driver by the throat, and if the driver doesn't make that move to break the hold... this guy's not letting go. the media is also finally drawing attention to "why don't we know anything about this guy?" to that i think i know the unpopular answer, "politically correct". the guy, his family, and i believe i also saw a friend in the video are all muslim. disney has just settled, but i believe is still currently negotiating or fighting a lawsuit which for all practical purposes paints them as being "anti-muslim". of course they're going to let it go. tell their driver "don't press charges", and let's hope this one slips under the radar, but these day's w/ camera phones and certainly the amount of film recording devices at wdw, that's not gonna happen. at this point i don't think it's going to be up to disney. it's an interesting story, we'll see how far the press pursues it.

[kcarts]

For all we know what was seen as choking was actually the guy grabbing his shoulders and shaking him. There is something up though if the driver elected to not press charges. I wouldn't be surprised if it was Disney coercing him to not do it as he might not have a job when he came back.

Gimme me a break!!! You corporate types!! I guess everybody is lying!

I go back to the old saying.....

There are three sides to every story, yours, mine and the truth.


Do I think everyone is lying. Not completely. Do I think the each story is going to be slanted to make the individual telling it look like he was not the one at fault. Absolutely.

So if being a "corporate type" means taking a step back from the situation and looking at everything before jumping to a conclusion one way or another, label me corporate.

[Jacca5660]

For all we know what was seen as choking was actually the guy grabbing his shoulders and shaking him. There is something up though if the driver elected to not press charges. I wouldn't be surprised if it was Disney coercing him to not do it as he might not have a job when he came back.

Gimme me a break!!! You corporate types!! I guess everybody is lying!

I go back to the old saying.....

There are three sides to every story, yours, mine and the truth.


Do I think everyone is lying. Not completely. Do I think the each story is going to be slanted to make the individual telling it look like he was not the one at fault. Absolutely.

So if being a "corporate type" means taking a step back from the situation and looking at everything before jumping to a conclusion one way or another, label me corporate.

Don't you work for some secret government agency in Boston, which may be foreign or domestic?

[Len90]

There are three sides to every story, yours, mine and the truth.

Do I think everyone is lying. Not completely. Do I think the each story is going to be slanted to make the individual telling it look like he was not the one at fault. Absolutely.

VERY well said. I would agree 100% with that. We really would need the exact stories from the driver, the guest, and numerous other eye witnesses in order to piece the story together.

Now if Disney would do something like Academy Bus has done at Rutgers, then we would have had the true story. Academy has installed video cameras on all of the buses to ensure safety and prevent anything like this from happening.

[mindflipper]

Actually, truth is very subjective. It's interpretation of the facts. That's why so many people can tell different variations of the same event. So maybe it should be: there are three sides to the truth - yours, mine and the actual facts.

[Wizzard419]

There are three sides to every story, yours, mine and the truth.

Do I think everyone is lying. Not completely. Do I think the each story is going to be slanted to make the individual telling it look like he was not the one at fault. Absolutely.

VERY well said. I would agree 100% with that. We really would need the exact stories from the driver, the guest, and numerous other eye witnesses in order to piece the story together.

Now if Disney would do something like Academy Bus has done at Rutgers, then we would have had the true story. Academy has installed video cameras on all of the buses to ensure safety and prevent anything like this from happening.

Disney buses don't have CC cameras on them? That is surprising since they would probably want that to fight lawsuits from guests who get hurt on the buses and file suit.

If Disney chooses to bury the issue it probably won't be over any racial issue but rather just a means of moving on from the issue (in 2 weeks many will most likely have forgotten). Either that or the unlikely reason that they don't want to have any actions misconstrued as "Disney park files charges against paying customer".