Da Vinci Code

Club33Hopeful · Post by **Club33Hopeful** » May Tue 23, 2006 6:02 pm

MouseMan wrote:Almost everything that Dan Brown has said in interviews that is true in the book turns out to be either false or not provable, so I find it most interesting how many people think its true.

I saw most of the stuff on the discover/history/learning channel as well. I do find it interesting that while most of the stuff in the DVC has little or no proof, so does the rest of the bible for that matter. So much of the Chrisitan Faith is based on "faith" and not hard evidence.

AKLRULZ · Post by **AKLRULZ** » May Tue 23, 2006 6:37 pm

Club33Hopeful wrote:
MouseMan wrote: So much of the Chrisitan Faith is based on "faith" and not hard evidence.

Well, yes and no - this is totally going to take this off topic, but ever read The Case for Christ by Lee Strobel? Quite convincing hardcore evidence about the existence of Christ, his miracles, teachings and resurrection. Great read.

Club33Hopeful · Post by **Club33Hopeful** » May Tue 23, 2006 6:51 pm

I'll have to add that to my reading list. However, I seriously doubt that he can have hard evidence of "resurrection." I mean, what would that evidence be? I have studied these topics quite extensively. If you study the history of the Catholic Church, you will quickly realize that during the crusades, the church rounded up and destroyed everything that taught against what the church taught. The church took a belief system that they deemed to be correct, and they destroyed everything that is contrary to the belief system. Even more recently, as new literature is discovered at archeological sites, the church weighs in by saying that these newly discovered texts are inaccurate. I don't see how they can come to that conclusion, just because they teach away from the core Catholic beliefs.

In the DVC, Dan Brown made some blatant errors that just about anyone with some background on the subject should catch. Just about everything he says about the Council of Nicea is wrong, other than the fact that there was a council. Based on major errors like this, I question many of the other details in the book. However, I still liked the story.

MouseMan · Post by **MouseMan** » May Tue 23, 2006 7:28 pm

Certainly the crusades were a travesty. No question about it. You also would be hard pressed to think that Jesus would have approved of them given what is said about him in the New Testament.

I also think what happened in the crusades is a far different topic then whether the resurrection happened or the events listed Bible are credible. One thing is pretty much accepted that all the books in the New Testament were written within 70 years of JCs life, and they are all authored by the apostles who were eye witnesses to Jesus or close associates of those apostles. The other "gospels" more recently found were not authored until as much as 300 years after JC's life and the authorships are unknown, but certainly were not written by a contemporary of Jesus.

You are certainly right that Christianity is a faith and cannot be "proved", but I think AKLRULZ is right there is a lot of convincing evidence.

Club33Hopeful · Post by **Club33Hopeful** » May Tue 23, 2006 8:13 pm

MouseMan wrote:One thing is pretty much accepted that all the books in the New Testament were written within 70 years of JCs life, and they are all authored by the apostles who were eye witnesses to Jesus or close associates of those apostles.

What about the texts that were written by people close to Jesus and in the first 70 years that were destroyed? What makes our current books right, and those wrong, other than that is what the leaders of the church decided we should believe?

MouseMan wrote:Certainly the crusades were a travesty. No question about it. You also would be hard pressed to think that Jesus would have approved of them given what is said about him in the New Testament.

This opens a whole new can of worms that might be worthy of a new thread. For example, you also would be hard pressed to think that Jesus would have approved of the billions of dollars spent on churches and places of worship while so many people are starving to death in third world countries. A new church just opened down the road from my house, and it cost them about 11 million dollars to build. They had a big membership drive, and several people approached me about joining. I told them that I would join if they could look me in the eye and tell me with a straight face that Jesus would have approved of them neglecting the needy and spending 11 million on a new church, rather than spending the 11 million to help the needy, and meeting in a park. Needless to say, I did not join.

borjoyzee · Post by **borjoyzee** » May Thu 25, 2006 10:46 am

hmm i want to see it.

disneydreamer58 · Post by **disneydreamer58** » May Thu 25, 2006 11:50 am

This can turn out to be a pretty intense thread (in a good way) as these are pretty serious and less light hearted topics than everything else on this site

Not only are people starving in 3rd world countries but here in the US as well. I think we need to take care of our own 1st then help the other countries. It erks me to see billions of dollars sent to other nations when we can't even fix and help our own within our borders.

I agree that way too much money is spent on "glorifing" churches than for relief efforts. I stopped going to the Catholic church a long time ago. For very personal reasons I will not get into on here. I had a wonderful relationship in a Catholic church in Little Rock, Arkansas and truly loved my time at that church. So it is only for personal reasons that I left the church.

I operate now more on the what is in Bible, not what the "Church" tells me is right or wrong or what I should follow. I have yet to find a church that fills my soul and that I feel at home with. I crave the written Word. The closest thing I have found is Joel Osteen and his ministry in Houston, but alas I live in Boston, kinda a long commute

Oops, the boss is coming gotta go...........................

Club33Hopeful · Post by **Club33Hopeful** » May Thu 25, 2006 11:53 am

Sounds like we are in the same boat. I also agree with what you said about taking care of our own first.

disneydreamer58 · Post by **disneydreamer58** » May Thu 25, 2006 12:03 pm

Yep. I have no problem with helping everyone that we can. But it makes me sick to my stomach when all these movie stars go over to all these foreign countries and beg for aid. While my heart bleeds for those people, my heart also bleeds for the people in the most poverty conditions here in the US. Why can't we demand that our government step up to the plate an take care of our ill, our elderly, our poor. Why do we have to send all the aid over seas? Are we here in the US less worthy?

Once we can be a strong nation from within and get the economy going and let everyone receive an strong education so that we can all be better equiped to help out other countries!

LOL, my boss is doing contracts so I am shrinking this when he walks in...ha ha ha
I just said will you stay out of here so I can write in the forums on my Disney site...he laughed and said sure, cause that is what I pay you for. I said EXACTLY.
Good thing we are like family he and I.

On another note, I am loving the Musical History today online !!!!

Captain Schnemo · Post by **Captain Schnemo** » May Fri 26, 2006 7:15 am

I don't really want to get into a religious debate, but I did want to point out something regarding foreign aid...

When polled, Americans think that 20-30% of government spending goes to foreign aid. They think the number should be around 5-10%. The actual figure is less than 1%.

America donates the most actual dollars, but, as a percentage of the nation's total economy, it is in fact one of the least philanthropic countries.

Club33Hopeful · Post by **Club33Hopeful** » May Fri 26, 2006 11:12 am

Yes, unfortunately most Americans have no clue when it comes to how much money is spent by our government, and what it is spent on. For example, many americans have complained about the cost of the war in Iraq. However, I bet many of those people don't know that the total amount we have spent on the war in Iraq from the very beginning is less than we spend on Medicaid alone each year. When you take a look at the total we spend on Medicaid, Medicare, and Welfare each year, it is truly amazing how much we spend.

SpaceyMounty · Post by **SpaceyMounty** » May Fri 26, 2006 1:47 pm

I saw it again yesterday with my friends and they really liked it! I understood it a lot more after asking my mom a bunch of questions after seeing the first one.

James

Club33Hopeful · Post by **Club33Hopeful** » Jun Fri 02, 2006 11:01 am

I did end up watching the DVC last Sunday and enjoyed it very much. I don't agree with many of the reviews I have read. Particularly reviews that say that Silas's part was over-acted or that the movie was too long. I thought the movie could have been another 30 minutes longer, and still been wonderful. I would have liked them to expand on a few scenes, such as the short "history review" of the grail. Anyway, I both enjoyed the book and the movie. Plus, I might be a little biased because I like Audrey Tautou. If you don't mind movies with English subtitles, you should check out Le Fabuleux destin d'Amélie Poulain. Sometimes referred to in the US as Amélie Poulain or Amélie.

Post by **js3901** » Jun Fri 02, 2006 12:05 pm

I saw this on Wednesday. I liked it alot, but thought that Silas wasn;t as good as could be. the acting was fine, but I hated how he did not look like an albino (looked more like really pale) and the eyes weren't red. the book makes note several times that his eyes are red, not blue.

DisneyManInSeattle · Post by **DisneyManInSeattle** » Jun Fri 02, 2006 1:53 pm

borjoyzee - nice WOF recreation BTW. I grew up in MO and went to WOF many times. The last time I was there (2002 or 2003) they were dis-assembling the Zambezi Zinger -- boy did that hit me in the chest. And now, Orient Express gone.. wow. kinda sad.

-mark