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Post by Mr.ToadWildRider » Aug Wed 12, 2009 8:41 am

PirateFan31 wrote:
Mr.ToadWildRider wrote:Where was Mickey when all this happened?
This isn't a joke. :roll:
While maybe I injected some sarcastic humor to my comment, I meant it in all seriousness. Generally a character is accompanied by other characters and always by attendents (or "Friends"). It's curious to me how it took the actual CM playing Minnie to force this man away/down to resolve the situation. I assume there was some kind of initial struggle/gentle shrugging off of this man before she actually shoved him away. I don't think the actions she described were her first course of action as I'm sure people inadvertently place their hands on places they shouldn't in relation to the CM inside the suit (it's the same principal that always gets CMs off the line when they're the ones being accused of groping as they can't feel exactly what they're touching.) I don't know, I don't know what the protocol is but I assume you don't have Minnies and Tiggers pushing everyone who places their hands on a breast or chest etc. as the first reaction.

Where am I going with this? This guy was probably being persistent and left the Minnie CM no other choice but to forcibly shove him away. In that case where were the other CMs?


***EDIT: After posting I re-read the article and the CM apparently provided the following statement: "My first reaction I just pushed him down. I was doing everything I could to get his hands off my breasts," Duncan McGoldrick said." (emphasis added by me) So maybe I was quick to jump to the conclusion I had. So maybe there isn't a protocol (although knowing Disney I'm sure there is and pushing the guy down is probably not step 1 so maybe she didn't follow it, not blaming her for what she did though) or maybe this guy was just so clearly doing it intentionally that it just escalated that fast. Maybe there was a CM with Minnie (as I'm sure there had to be) but they didn't have time to react before Ms. Duncan McGoldrick already ended the assault.[/i]
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Post by agingerbugg » Aug Wed 12, 2009 8:41 am

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ckc0915 wrote: That is just really disgusting and glad to see that he is not just getting a slap on the wrist.
I think he is, probation and community service? He should at least have to register as a sex offender.
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Post by Mr.ToadWildRider » Aug Wed 12, 2009 8:58 am

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ckc0915 wrote: That is just really disgusting and glad to see that he is not just getting a slap on the wrist.
I think he is, probation and community service? He should at least have to register as a sex offender.
To be honest, I think the label sex offender is applied too liberally. You give a perp that sentence and it's for life. They've got to check in regularly with their local police department for life. It's pretty harsh and I'm not sure I'd agree in this case. Clearly a level 1 type offense. Yes, it's assault but are we even sure he knew he was grabbing the CM's breasts or not just thinking he was funny for his family grabbing Minnie's breasts? It's still completely inappropriate and illegal but did he really have sexual intent? Level 1 sex offenders are for people who expose themselves in busy public places, or grope people openly to get their jollies- I think it'd be a hard sell to a judge to say that he was feeling up the woman inside when as my above post states the defense Disney has always offered when its employees are accused of groping etc. while in a fury suit is that you can't tell what you are feeling. Whether that's true or not, I don't know but I can believe it because when I hug Stitch or Pluto sure I can feel a body inside but I can only assume how I'm actually embracing the CM inside.

I'm not defending this guy, he looks and acts like a sleazeball, but I'm not sure he deserves to be spending the rest of his life update the sex offender registry and his local police department of his whereabouts.

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Post by sherabby » Aug Wed 12, 2009 3:13 pm

When we were at CM last June I don't recall a CM being with the characters. I did see them there during our 2008 trip though. Could they have made some cutbacks?
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Post by PirateFan31 » Aug Wed 12, 2009 4:02 pm

ckc0915 wrote:
PirateFan31 wrote:
Mr.ToadWildRider wrote:Where was Mickey when all this happened?
This isn't a joke. :roll:
oh come on, that was funny.
I don't think the person portraying the character would feel the same way. My sister was the victim of a sexual assault, and it still haunts her to this day, four years later. What if this happened to someone you knew. Would you still think that the 'joke' was funny?

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Post by ericpabear » Aug Wed 12, 2009 4:28 pm

Len90 wrote:
ckc0915 wrote: but in all seriousness, where was the character attendant?
someone should have noticed this guy was being a wierdo
That is what I would like to know. I am also curious to know which location it happened at. Was it a meet and greet or was it a restaurant.

That is just really disgusting and glad to see that he is not just getting a slap on the wrist. Instances like this can really ruin it for the regular guest. My family and I like to clown around a bit with the characters (see avatar image) and it would be a shame if people like him would cause Disney to limit the interaction with the characters.

http://www.clickorlando.com/news/20352110/detail.html#
This artical has a picture of the act, and a bit more of Minnie's story.

Prosecutors said during the trial that photographs show the Disney cast member pushing Moyer's hands away from her after he touched her.....

The woman playing Minnie Mouse said she did not yell for help because she feared that she could lose her job for being out of character. She did report the incident after Moyer left the area, according to investigators.....

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Post by ckc0915 » Aug Wed 12, 2009 8:20 pm

i cant see much in the pictures, not sure how just those got him convicted. but im glad the young lady took a stand

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Post by Len90 » Aug Wed 12, 2009 10:21 pm

agingerbugg wrote:
Len90 wrote:
ckc0915 wrote: That is just really disgusting and glad to see that he is not just getting a slap on the wrist.
I think he is, probation and community service? He should at least have to register as a sex offender.
Also, a fine and mental evaluation. It should be interesting to find out if he thought he was touching Minnie or the person playing Mickey.

Also, to answer the question where was Mickey... He was to Minnie's left and looks like he tried to help out. You can see Mickey's right hand trying to pull on the guy's left shoulder. Also the picture shows the CM trying to push away the man's hands with her right hand and protect herself with her left hand. .
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Post by metsofny » Aug Mon 17, 2009 1:57 am

I don't know, I've seen Minnie wear pretty provocative outfits.
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Post by PirateFan31 » Aug Mon 17, 2009 9:12 am

metsofny wrote:I don't know, I've seen Minnie wear pretty provocative outfits.
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Even if you're just trying to troll, this is disgusting. So typical of this society to be presented the story of a woman being sexually assaulted and to initially respond with jokes and laughter. When for the poor victim this nightmare will play out in her life forever. My sister frequently finds herself reliving her nightmare in broad daylight, walking down the street, everywhere.

People like who you make jokes about situations like this are the reason that thousands of these unspeakable crimes go unreported and unnoticed every year. And the reason that this society doesn't take them as seriously as they need to be. I can't change anyone's mind, but I can pray to Almighty God that he makes all the jokers see just how serious, terrifying, and traumatic these crimes are to the victims. The way the jokers in this thread are acting is just shameful. I feel sick.

In addition, if a woman is dressed in a bikini does that mean you have permission to touch her, or rape her? So many people think just like that, as if the way the woman dresses acts as an invitation, rather than an expression of her style. "She was asking for it," is the first mindset of defense for so many rapists.

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Post by metsofny » Aug Mon 17, 2009 6:51 pm

Well there is a reason they call them Minnie skirts.Image

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Post by ckc0915 » Aug Mon 17, 2009 8:41 pm

mets i was going to warn you about the inevitable thrashing you would receive for making light of this situation, but i see i am too late.

lets all just agree that what happened was wrong. i dont think anyone on these boards condones this kind of behavior.
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Post by Len90 » Aug Tue 18, 2009 1:10 am

ckc0915 wrote:mets i was going to warn you about the inevitable thrashing you would receive for making light of this situation, but i see i am too late.

lets all just agree that what happened was wrong. i dont think anyone on these boards condones this kind of behavior.
I'll second that. It is easy to come up with a small clean joke, but this is a serious matter. I know there is no way to fully speak for everyone here, but I highly doubt anybody on this board would ever think of partaking in this kind of behavior. It is unacceptable and should never happen.

Now, with that said, let's remember that we are all here because we all share the same common bond of an affinity for Disney. There is no need for any other nonsense.
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Post by Soarin08 » Aug Tue 18, 2009 1:54 am

Len90 wrote: I'll second that. It is easy to come up with a small clean joke, but this is a serious matter. I know there is no way to fully speak for everyone here, but I highly doubt anybody on this board would ever think of partaking in this kind of behavior. It is unacceptable and should never happen.

Now, with that said, let's remember that we are all here because we all share the same common bond of an affinity for Disney. There is no need for any other nonsense.
Well said Len. I agree completely.
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Post by PirateFan31 » Aug Tue 18, 2009 6:41 am

metsofny wrote:Well there is a reason they call them Minnie skirts.Image
Absolutely barbaric. Don't you have anything better to do than to spread your message of hate. Why don't you go watch your horrible baseball team and leave us alone.

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