WDW cracking down on FP return times

Amy · Post by **Amy** » Feb Sat 11, 2012 1:04 pm

MmeLeota wrote:Just as an experiment, I'd like to see what would happen if they turned off FP at TSMM for a couple of days (or a week) and see what the regular lines would be like. In all actuality, FP probably slows down stand-by and not having FP might regulate the line a bit.
There is no FP for TSM at DCA, and the line usually hovers around 45-60 minutes on a busy day. Granted, there are far more people at DHS on any given day than at DCA (until this summer anyway), but I'd be curious to see how the wait times would be affected.

Like you Amy, we never realized we could use them past the window, so we would keep them as souvenirs if we missed it too.

On a side note, does anyone know what the CMs do with all those little slips of paper once they've been used? Are they put in a recycle bin or just thrown out?

That would be an interesting experiment MmeLeota. I think you are right and the line would eventually moderate to around 60 minutes at the busiest times.
I always thought the CMs put the FP into a recycling bin of sorts, but I don't know for sure...

Wizzard419 · Post by **Wizzard419** » Feb Sat 11, 2012 2:46 pm

I'm not sure how they do FP for that ride at DHS, but htey may be better served if they made one car FP only (filled in by standby if there are gaps). It is rediculous how few people the ride seems to be able to hold. Even on an ultra slow day, the line at DCA can be over 30 minutes while everything else is walk on.

MmeLeota · Post by **MmeLeota** » Feb Sat 11, 2012 3:11 pm

That's true Wizz...we didn't get to TSMM last month, so I'm not sure if the loading area might be larger or not...but it is so painfully slow loading.

Though we did manage to catch the line at 20 minutes once during the 2nd show of World of Color...right before closing.

...but the queue is cooler at WDW!

Wizzard419 · Post by **Wizzard419** » Feb Sat 11, 2012 3:29 pm

I think what they may not have anticipated was that the ride isn't really a ride but rather a show that has you moving from scene to scene. Since there really are no transitions and everything comes to a dead stop (except towards the end) the ride has a really small capacity.

cy1229 · Post by **cy1229** » Feb Sat 11, 2012 7:58 pm

MmeLeota wrote:
...but the queue is cooler at WDW!

My cranky gene is about to be expressed - I don't care how cool the queue is, I don't want to be stuck in it at all. Ever.

Wizzard419 · Post by **Wizzard419** » Feb Sat 11, 2012 8:40 pm

Which is why you go in May! That way you get summer hours with winter crowds!

Soarin08 · Post by **Soarin08** » Feb Sat 11, 2012 9:43 pm

Amy wrote:
MmeLeota wrote:Just as an experiment, I'd like to see what would happen if they turned off FP at TSMM for a couple of days (or a week) and see what the regular lines would be like. In all actuality, FP probably slows down stand-by and not having FP might regulate the line a bit.
There is no FP for TSM at DCA, and the line usually hovers around 45-60 minutes on a busy day. Granted, there are far more people at DHS on any given day than at DCA (until this summer anyway), but I'd be curious to see how the wait times would be affected.

Like you Amy, we never realized we could use them past the window, so we would keep them as souvenirs if we missed it too.

On a side note, does anyone know what the CMs do with all those little slips of paper once they've been used? Are they put in a recycle bin or just thrown out?
That would be an interesting experiment MmeLeota. I think you are right and the line would eventually moderate to around 60 minutes at the busiest times.
I always thought the CMs put the FP into a recycling bin of sorts, but I don't know for sure...

They are recycled as far as I know. I do know there have been times, when I've had friends who work at a ride (ie., when I had a friend at Soarin'), I'd be given some of the recycled passes that they had not yet disposed of so I could ride.

theBIGyowski · Post by **theBIGyowski** » Feb Mon 13, 2012 10:47 am

I would LOVE to see a day of TSMM not using FP. I honestly think the lines would be 45-60 minutes at the most. The thing is...most people just run to the FP stations first thing...and then go on with their park touring. Then they come back later in the day to ride the thing. If there were no FPs for TSMM, I bet over half of the people who ride it for the day will either not ride at all, or they would "suffer" standing in line for 30-45 minutes. Because if everyone would just use stand-by...it would be a steady 30-45 minutes throughout the day instead of a 60 minute wait at the end of the day in the FP Return line.

cy1229 · Post by **cy1229** » Feb Mon 13, 2012 11:18 am

theBIGyowski wrote:I would LOVE to see a day of TSMM not using FP. I honestly think the lines would be 45-60 minutes at the most. The thing is...most people just run to the FP stations first thing...and then go on with their park touring. Then they come back later in the day to ride the thing. If there were no FPs for TSMM, I bet over half of the people who ride it for the day will either not ride at all, or they would "suffer" standing in line for 30-45 minutes. Because if everyone would just use stand-by...it would be a steady 30-45 minutes throughout the day instead of a 60 minute wait at the end of the day in the FP Return line.

Maybe this situation is what led WDW to decide to change the FP policy. Sounds like this attraction is the only one where a change is really needed. I love TSMM but I don't know if I love it enough to wait 60-90 minutes to ride it. The Wii game is JUST like it, but not in 3D and not as big a screen, and ...

yeah ok.

MmeLeota · Post by **MmeLeota** » Feb Mon 13, 2012 3:40 pm

cy1229 wrote:
theBIGyowski wrote:I would LOVE to see a day of TSMM not using FP. I honestly think the lines would be 45-60 minutes at the most. The thing is...most people just run to the FP stations first thing...and then go on with their park touring. Then they come back later in the day to ride the thing. If there were no FPs for TSMM, I bet over half of the people who ride it for the day will either not ride at all, or they would "suffer" standing in line for 30-45 minutes. Because if everyone would just use stand-by...it would be a steady 30-45 minutes throughout the day instead of a 60 minute wait at the end of the day in the FP Return line.
Maybe this situation is what led WDW to decide to change the FP policy. Sounds like this attraction is the only one where a change is really needed. I love TSMM but I don't know if I love it enough to wait 60-90 minutes to ride it. The Wii game is JUST like it, but not in 3D and not as big a screen, and ...

yeah ok.

Over an hour wait was the reason why we chose not to go on it at DHS. In my mind I couldn't justify waiting over an hour for an attraction that we had been on several times before at DCA and we only had a few hours at DHS to begin with.

I definitely agree with you BIG. If there was no FP at TSMM, I'm almost certain the wait time would be drastically lower.

dstrawn9889 · Post by **dstrawn9889** » Feb Mon 13, 2012 4:24 pm

Over an hour wait was the reason why we chose not to go on it at DHS. In my mind I couldn't justify waiting over an hour for an attraction that we had been on several times before at DCA and we only had a few hours at DHS to begin with.

/GASP!!! Walt is Rolling over in the Grave! how dare you not try a plussed attraction? LOL

Soarin08 · Post by **Soarin08** » Feb Mon 13, 2012 9:09 pm

theBIGyowski wrote:I would LOVE to see a day of TSMM not using FP. I honestly think the lines would be 45-60 minutes at the most. The thing is...most people just run to the FP stations first thing...and then go on with their park touring. Then they come back later in the day to ride the thing. If there were no FPs for TSMM, I bet over half of the people who ride it for the day will either not ride at all, or they would "suffer" standing in line for 30-45 minutes. Because if everyone would just use stand-by...it would be a steady 30-45 minutes throughout the day instead of a 60 minute wait at the end of the day in the FP Return line.

I got on and off it in 30 minutes yesterday. There weren't many FP people there as well. This is the ride that needs a FP reform, not all of them.

cy1229 · Post by **cy1229** » Feb Tue 14, 2012 9:26 am

Soarin08 wrote:
theBIGyowski wrote:I would LOVE to see a day of TSMM not using FP. I honestly think the lines would be 45-60 minutes at the most. The thing is...most people just run to the FP stations first thing...and then go on with their park touring. Then they come back later in the day to ride the thing. If there were no FPs for TSMM, I bet over half of the people who ride it for the day will either not ride at all, or they would "suffer" standing in line for 30-45 minutes. Because if everyone would just use stand-by...it would be a steady 30-45 minutes throughout the day instead of a 60 minute wait at the end of the day in the FP Return line.
I got on and off it in 30 minutes yesterday. There weren't many FP people there as well. This is the ride that needs a FP reform, not all of them.

So what's the standard protocol for objecting to / suggesting a rethinking of an announced policy change?

cinderella75 · Post by **cinderella75** » Feb Tue 14, 2012 10:26 am

There would alot of p*** off people if there were no FP. The lines would be so long that people would complain and leave the park. I will not stand in a line if its more than 15mins pushing it would be 30mins. I think people need to just follow the rules. They are NOT hard rules to follow. I understand if something happens but you know when it happens re arrange your plans. Its not going to ruin your time at disney.

MmeLeota · Post by **MmeLeota** » Feb Tue 14, 2012 11:17 am

cinderella75 wrote:There would alot of p*** off people if there were no FP. The lines would be so long that people would complain and leave the park. I will not stand in a line if its more than 15mins pushing it would be 30mins. I think people need to just follow the rules. They are NOT hard rules to follow. I understand if something happens but you know when it happens re arrange your plans. Its not going to ruin your time at disney.

We're not talking about no FP at all...just at TSMM. Contrary to popular belief, in some cases FP does more harm than good. TSMM is a perfect example because it is such a slow loader. So when you are taking people from 2 lines instead of 1, it backs up the standby line. Yes, the line would probably still hover around the 45-60 mark, but that's much better than the 90-120 minute range.

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