Possible Scattering Of Human Remains On Disney Rides

Jacca5660 · Post by **Jacca5660** » Nov Sat 17, 2007 1:39 pm

This is weird.

Possible Scattering Of Human Remains On Disney Rides Reported
Ride Closed, Police Alerted After Woman Seen Dumping Substance On Ride

http://www.local6.com/news/14611438/detail.html

Post by **Dr. Ravenscroft** » Nov Sat 17, 2007 2:01 pm

Yeah Al Lutz had that in his update this week:

http://www.miceage.com/allutz/al111307d.htm

I think it is wrong to do that without prior permission. Seriously that not right at all. Lutz was saying that Golf courses are having this problem too, and I have heard of people doing this too. They need to create a harsher penalty for that, they already have strong penalties for dump a corpse somewhere, this should be cosidered the same as that. Just My Opinion.

Jacca5660 · Post by **Jacca5660** » Nov Sat 17, 2007 2:07 pm

Dr. Ravenscroft wrote:Yeah Al Lutz had that in his update this week:

http://www.miceage.com/allutz/al111307d.htm

I think it is wrong to do that without prior permission. Seriously that not right at all. Lutz was saying that Golf courses are having this problem too, and I have heard of people doing this too. They need to create a harsher penalty for that, they already have strong penalties for dump a corpse somewhere, this should be cosidered the same as that. Just My Opinion.

I don't know what to think. My DW and I have talked about were we want to be scattered. Disney always comes up as one of the places. I don't know if this should have the same penalty as dumping a corpse. It's a complicated issue.

Post by **Dr. Ravenscroft** » Nov Sat 17, 2007 2:23 pm

I'm of the mindset that "if it was once a body it is still a body" There are strong laws governing the care of a body after someone passes away right up to the "conversion" to ashes but not after that. I have no problem if someone asks to do that BUT when they don't ask and just do it, that is what gets me. We have to get permission to bury a family member but apparently not when you scatter cremated remains.

Post by **js3901** » Nov Sat 17, 2007 8:56 pm

I don't find it all that surprising, personally. I agree with Dr. Ravenscroft on the prior permission issue. only right to make sure it's ok to scatter (in this case dump) the ashes in a certain spot to make sure it doesn't hurt anything. I know that I'm planning on scattering my ashes over all of WDW (from the air, hopefully) when I have my will written. But, that'll be a long time from now, and I'm planning on getting the permission first, obviously...

AKLRULZ · Post by **AKLRULZ** » Nov Sat 17, 2007 9:43 pm

Dumping anything - baby powder (as she claims) or ashes seems to me as vandalizing private property. I'd like to see Disney take stronger action on this personally.

Post by **Dr. Ravenscroft** » Nov Sat 17, 2007 11:16 pm

AKLRULZ wrote:Dumping anything - baby powder (as she claims) or ashes seems to me as vandalizing private property. I'd like to see Disney take stronger action on this personally.

Not only that, but in this post 9/11 era and post anthrax in the mail era nobody should be dumping any powder in anyplace because you may get the Swat teams and Hazmat involved. I work for Univ. of Penn and we have this kind of Hazmat issue at least twice a year on campus. In the beginning it is scary as hell you don't know what is going on, you don't know if it is something that will hrt you or if it is something that is benign. It creates a Panic! I'm glad that in this case it was "just" Ashes, but imagine what the other guests that witnessed it were thinking.

DisBeamer · Post by **DisBeamer** » Nov Sat 17, 2007 11:29 pm

This is weird to me. I can kind of understand the idea behind 'eternity in the Magic Kingdom' but even just looking at the new story there, you're not gonna be there for 'eternity' if you just go at it willy nilly like that. Whomever she was dumping got (for lack of a better word) dustbustered outta there within a few hours. Presumably the same applies to those folks distributed about the Haunted Mansion. And they obviously don't know who she was, so what becomes of the ashes? Landfill? Unmarked grave? That's a far cry from being the thousandth Happy Haunt, imho.

I think it would be an interesting approach if Disney wanted to set aside a place on property for people who wanted to have their ashes scattered, though it seems like it'd be a legal undertaking they wouldn't care to be responsible for.

I'm kind of surprised they don't make a policy of detaining anyone vandalizing an attraction, as AKL put it. It does seem like throwing ashes all over the ride causes as much of an interruption as throwing refuse (and it's that much harder to clean up).

I agree with the Dr. too; if I saw someone tossing powder all over the place anywhere in a Disney park (or, heck, anywhere), it'd freak me right out.

Cheshire Cat · Post by **Cheshire Cat** » Nov Sun 18, 2007 10:10 am

...And the rest of the people in the boat didn't question why she was throwing dust all over a Disneyland attraction or try to stop her??

"Oh, what's that? you're throwing baby powder all over the sleeping skeleton. Oh, ok, that's completely normal. Carry on, I'm sure Disney doesn't mind."

Maybe Disney could set aside a swampy area for this kind of thing... This way they wouldn't have to remove the ashes, but Mother Nature will take care of them. Then again, if Disney set aside an area for this, people might start going to WDW to visit long lost loved ones and I don't think Disney would like the idea of poeple coming to WDW for that.

This is such a difficult situation to handle.

Esmeralda · Post by **Esmeralda** » Nov Sun 18, 2007 10:28 am

I read this article earlier and thought it was amusing, but quite strange. DisBeamer is right, those ashes will just get cleaned up with the rest of the dirt on the ride so they really won't be there for long.

I also read that some guests have asked permission from Disney to do this, but were refused. That makes sense to me, can you imagine how the Haunted Mansion would be overflowing if this started to get popular??

DisneyChris · Post by **DisneyChris** » Nov Sun 18, 2007 11:57 am

I wish that was not done. Disneyland is meant to be the Happiest Place on Earth, and this taints that imafe.

abrcrmbegrl20 · Post by **abrcrmbegrl20** » Nov Mon 19, 2007 5:36 pm

I went on Pirates the day after this happened and you wouldn't know unless you heard it on the news that anything had happened. Nobody in the park was talking about it and I mean guests not cast members. I understand a person wanting to have their ashes scattered in Disneyland but go about it the right way. I was happy the ride was open the when I was there because I hadn't been on it since it was changed.

faxprincess · Post by **faxprincess** » Nov Tue 20, 2007 12:07 pm

This whole thing is kind of weird - what are people thinking? That they'll be reincarnated as a Pirate? I LOVE Disneyland too, but I'm not about to make my family members spread my remains about it. Why not just put your ashes in a Disney printed urn or have a Disneyish epitaph put on your gravestone if you're that much of a DIE-HARD?!?!?!? hahaha

casrin · Post by **casrin** » Nov Tue 20, 2007 3:14 pm

Not only that, but in this post 9/11 era and post anthrax in the mail era nobody should be dumping any powder in anyplace because you may get the Swat teams and Hazmat involved. I work for Univ. of Penn and we have this kind of Hazmat issue at least twice a year on campus.

That's what I thought of as I read this. What if it wasn't baby powder or even ashes, but something more sinister? Of course, I'd suppose someone up to that sort of activity would be a little more mindful of cameras... maybe.

Regardless, it's an interesting topic. A friend of mine has always said she wants her ashes spread around Cedar Point when she dies. We've made joking "plans" of how it would be executed for her as we're walking around the park, but none of its ever been serious conversation.

Personal beliefs are such a touchy thing though, with death, and with grieving.

boilerbabe · Post by **boilerbabe** » Nov Thu 29, 2007 12:02 am

Yeow, I don't know about that! To each his own I guess!