Subsonic Themes

knedeau · Post by **knedeau** » Jun Sun 18, 2006 7:36 pm

Club33Hopeful wrote:I also tend to comment everything in my code that is not obvious at a quick glance. Because my code contains a lot of comments, if I used an editor, I would spend a lot of time looking at the code view and not the WYSIWYG view.

Thats what I love about dreamweaver... it lets you go back and forth b/w code and wysiwyg (even loads my css) very quickly. And dream weaver code, is color coded for VERY easy viewing!

eagle4life69 · Post by **eagle4life69** » Jun Sun 18, 2006 10:41 pm

Awwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww. Dreamweaver. Thats my next class I'm taking during Summer school Thank God I know it already.

knedeau · Post by **knedeau** » Jun Mon 19, 2006 9:37 am

Dreamweaver is very easy! You'll like it. I like it because you can use the allaire homesite view (which was integrated into DW for mx)

eagle4life69 · Post by **eagle4life69** » Jun Mon 19, 2006 12:29 pm

I've been using it for a while now and I Love DW 8 if you like coding DW 8 is so much easier.

Post by **spaulo** » Jun Mon 19, 2006 1:00 pm

It's not easier if you've never used it and would have to learn the ins and outs of a new program

knedeau · Post by **knedeau** » Jun Mon 19, 2006 9:05 pm

spaulo wrote:It's not easier if you've never used it and would have to learn the ins and outs of a new program

:p "thppppppppppppppth" It's not hard to use deary... don't knock it before you try it.

Post by **spaulo** » Jun Tue 20, 2006 1:22 am

Nah. I left WYSIWYG behind with Netscape Composer. Give me a text editor or give me death!

knedeau · Post by **knedeau** » Jun Tue 20, 2006 8:15 am

spaulo wrote:Nah. I left WYSIWYG behind with Netscape Composer. Give me a text editor or give me death!

Netscape Composer!?!?!? OMG! How clunky! I don't blame you... I would have gone straight to code as well! I suppose............ to each his (or her) own!

Post by **spaulo** » Jun Wed 21, 2006 12:44 pm

Well of course it was clunky, the whole web was clunky in back in 1997!

Post by **subsonic** » Jun Thu 22, 2006 1:00 am

Interesting conversation. There's more handcoder fans than WYSIWYG, I'm surprised.

I'm going to knock Dreamweaver here.
Adding a theme would not have been so simple if everything was coded in Dreamweaver. Dreamweaver would have wanted to make two seperate pages for each theme and wouldn't know how to handle pulling in the CSS in design view. Also, due to multiple pages and templates, the output is mostly pure html and doesn't work well with databases. Dreamweaver is great for several simple pages but when it comes to more dynamic sites the design view is useless.

My progression was:
Homesite - Some design view mostly tabled layouts and handcode
Dreamweaver - Only used code mode but it had updated support for CSS
Notepad++ - Once I learned all the CSS selectors I stopped using a slow bulky editor (Dreamweaver) and just needed something with nice syntax highlighting and macros

I couldn't believe how slow Dreamweaver would load files compared to lighter editors.

Being a lead developer I'd interview people. The better coders were always handcoders. The WYSIWYG developers had a very hard time editing premade code.

karenj2 · Post by **karenj2** » Jun Fri 23, 2006 5:38 pm

A few friends here in Austin told be about a site called htmlgoodies.com that seems to have a lot of tutorials about getting started and then some advanced html programming. I think i'm going to start there this weekend. Wish me luck. I'll have to check out some of those books that Spaulo talked about this weekend also.

I was reading through the end of this post, and was going to mention htmlgoodies.com! I taught myself basic HTML, and then found some code from other sites I liked, and found out how THEY worked, etc. Then I got lazy and started using my Adobe GoLive, since I paid for the entire Adobe Suite...

But I constantly go back to htmlgoodies for pointers.

Usually I start my web page in photoshop, just so I can figure out the layout and looks (and colors), then move to notepad or adobe golive.

The sites I've designed are basic, but they work. (I'm sure if people took a peek at them they'd find loads of mistakes). I'd love to learn flash, though - that would be awesome!

Captain Schnemo · Post by **Captain Schnemo** » Jun Fri 23, 2006 5:58 pm

I've found that you can sometimes trick Dreamweaver into being useful by spending some time tweaking its output. You can use it to suck up ugly code and spit out something more reasonable, which you can then edit directly.

You can also use it to try out various ideas or basic layouts, and then clean up the results later.

I generally have the urge to nuke any site with embedded Flash...present company excluded, of course.

Post by **subsonic** » Jun Fri 23, 2006 11:29 pm

Hahha, There's been a few complaints about flash, in the plans is a non-flash header.

Post by **spaulo** » Jun Mon 26, 2006 10:46 am

Schnemo, Flash gets a bad name by being implemented by bad designers/developers...

Post by **subsonic** » Jun Mon 26, 2006 10:09 pm

I hope my implementation isn't bad. I try to make it fit while not being overbearing.